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Maxime

Member
Oct 27, 2017
2,990
Few days ago, Quantic Dream put another of their statement following the 2018 reports of toxic, racist and sexist culture within the company and lawsuits related. As always, these statements are garbage, but this one takes the cake.

Seeing many, many outlets relaying this PR trash without bothering to do proper checking had me fuming. I get that law from abroad is not easy, but they should fucking know by now when it comes to Quantic Dream. Do it right or don't do it. We are talking about people's livelihood here.

Anyway, I took the liberty to translate a Twitter thread from a French worker union who did a way better job job than I could to expose Quantic's lies. You can also read a shorter English thread from Alex Hexed here. Also, kudos to Rebekah Valentine from IGN who did a good job too.

It is mostly DeepL translation with some tweaks to make it more digestible. I'll update it if necessary for more clarity.

Quantic Dream continue to release big press statements to claim their innocence, and in some passages we are not far from blatant lying. So let's talk again about these decisions, and what happens to QD's former employees since the cases

On the [top] the press release, on the [bottom] the decision of 19/01/2018.
It does recognize the existence of the photoshops and their "idiotic and vulgar" nature. It does not effectively acknowledge a "toxic corporate culture" since it was QD who had invoked that to excuse the photoshops.

Quantic's statement
Three judgments handed down by the Paris Labor Court on January 19, 2018 (2 judgments) and November 21, 2019 initially confirmed, indisputably, that no "toxic" atmosphere prevailed in the company, that no discrimination of any kind had taken place, and that the management had immediately taken the necessary measures, on the very day it became aware of certain problematic photomontages.

Court ruling
"Whereas, in this respect, Maître E F considered it was necessary to begin his pleading by repeating the presentation, already made in his writings, of SA QUANTIC D, insisting on the economic success of the company, the specificity of its sector of activity. "The average age of the employees" and "their attachment to freedom of expression" (sic), the sense of self-mockery of Mr. G H who did not hesitate to caricature himself in his photomontages, and the fact that "these photomontages being approved by a number of employees, the company, concerned with a harmonious and convivial understanding, let Mr. G H pursue his creations"... (sic): that, this type of argumentation will be immediately dismissed. The stupidity and vulgarity (Mr B K, General Manager of the Company, did not say anything different when he indicated, in a message to Mr I J, that another employee who had complained about photomontages concerning him, "it is never in very good taste"), cannot be set up as a corporate culture likely to exonerate the various parties from their responsibilities;

Whereas, however, Mr. Y D, unlike other colleagues, reacted very late to the existence of the photomontages concerning him in order to be able to obtain today the termination of his employment contract to the detriment of his employer; that, moreover, after having requested a conventional termination of his contract, a request accepted by QUANTIC DREAM SA, he then refused the latter's proposal; that it is reasonable to wonder whether he was not manipulated by others or thought he could take advantage of a windfall effect and obtain a much higher financial compensation;

If the employee was dismissed, it's not because everything is all fun and games at QD, it's because the Court considered that he had reacted too late, and there action seemed opportunistic.

The judgment of September 22 that the press release evokes, it .... literally condemned Quantic Dream for its breach of their duty of care.

Quantic Statement:
Two rulings by the Paris Court of Appeal on September 22, 2020 and April 7, 2021 have again highlighted all these points. The latest ruling on April 7 dismissed all the employee's claims, ordering them to pay substantial damages to Quantic Dream. Finally, this last judgment does not find any safety defect on the part of Quantic Dream.

Court ruling:
BY THESE REASONS,
The Court,
AFFIRMS the judgment referred to except insofar as it dismissed the claim of SA Quantic Dream for notice,
Ruling again on this count and adding,
CONDEMNS SA Quantic Dream to pay Mr. I X the sum of 2,000 euros in damages as compensation for the prejudice suffered as a result of the violation of the employer's safety obligation,
ORDERS Mr. I X to pay SA Quantic Dream the sum of 4,983.36 euros for the notice period"

("Duty of care" is basically the employer's obligation to do what they can to protect you from physical OR mental harm. Basically, this decision makes it clear that QD have a responsibility for what happened). This decision was effectively overturned on April 7. But the only reason is once again the fact that employe supposedly reacted too late. Not in relation to the facts.

The press release presents the decisions in a very partial way and blurs the whole thing with a deliberately non-legal vocabulary. Basically it's 90% QD saying "these decisions didn't say we were torturing little kittens" and indeed, that's not the f*cking problem.

Now, more concretely: behind this press release, it is above all Quantic congratulating themself for having made an ex-employee pay ten thousand euros. Nice, isn't it?

But it doesn't stop there. These ex-employees, according to a recent communiqué from workers union Solidaires Info, have been anything but left alone by Quantic.

Thus, several of them had to separate from their lawyers because they suspected them of corruption. The President of the Paris Bar has indeed denounced the practices of one of them:
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One former employee in particular was accused of concealing data at Quantic, which led to a search and confiscation of his computer equipment. No wrongdoing was found. 2 years later, QD makes the SAME accusation at A's new employer.
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Finally, QD say nothing about other judgments in which breaches of the safety obligation have been upheld.

To conclude, I invite you to check Solidaires Informatique's timeline of events regarding Quantic (you saw few bits above):


There are elements about Quantic's PR not touched upon, like the URSSAF thing. I'd say it is mostly because there is no public data about that. So we have to trust them by their words. I think it is fair game to not be doing that.

Unless things change, Quantic Dream's lawsuit against Mediapart and Le Monde (two of the three outlets which did the reports in 2018) is set for next month (things could change ofc).
 

Mivey

Member
Oct 25, 2017
17,829
what, the whole "we investigated ourselves and we found we are totally innocent" PR press release was not truthful?
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Adamska

Banned
Oct 27, 2017
7,042
Sucks that they misrepresented the court ruling as such, their statement extrapolated it greatly. When I posted about this before, I did not see the ruling myself, as it wasn't freely available.
 

Le Dude

Member
May 16, 2018
4,709
USA
I guess I don't really see how they could be considered completely innocent anyways, considering we've seen the images that went around the workplace.