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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 2:34PM copa said

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OK, now I am interested in this title. The game that Benito describes sounds thoughtful and interesting.

The original Joystiq story quoted some marketing asshole who was going on about, "We don't want a game about Fallujah to make anyone feel uncomfortable. This is pure entertainment. Have fun, kids! Pew, pew! Pow, pow!"

This is Konami, so they may very well screw this up. But I'll follow it closely and give it a chance.

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 2:38PM copa said

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OK, now I read the "Joystiq impressions" story, and this title looks tasteless and suck-tastic. We'll see what happens.
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 2:43PM Triscuit said

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@Copa How so? I didn't really think it sounded tasteless or sucktastic. I'm not inciting a fight here, I'd just like to have your opinion.
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 3:38PM copa said

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From the Impressions feature, it sounds more arcade than simulation. The fact that the presenters were more focused on "destructible environments" than on the ideals that Benito was espousing is not very encouraging. We'll see.
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 2:36PM maxpontiac said

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Interviewing terrorists? I can understand the interview with the Iraqi's there, but I have to question the conversations with the insurgents.

Would a true insurgent interview with the infidel media? I think not.

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 2:44PM TheDarkWayne said

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the insurgency in Iraq is as much about Islam as it is about just being their home.
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 2:47PM TheDarkWayne said

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hmm, i don't know if I'll play it but I must say I'm intrigued by what i think they're trying to do here. It seems like they're almost trying to make an interactive documentary or something, and that seems like a really interesting idea

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 3:07PM WiredKnight said

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At this point I think that's really the most intriguing thing about this production. If done right, it could end up as something like an interactive history lesson for later generations, created while it's still fresh in the minds of those who experienced it.
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 2:48PM iceveiled said

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It should be noted that although the operations in Fallujah were mostly fought by marines, small elements of the Army kicked ass there as well. Little known fact.

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 2:50PM (Unverified) said

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Uh of course US Troops can take more hits, than an unarmored person. We actually wear body armor with full metal plates. I've seen a guy take a shot from a sniper at least than 20 yards and hop back up and just look around. That was funny. I'm not sure about the regenerating health though.

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 3:06PM BoBsS said

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I can see Fox news reporting:

"First they give us their crap food and culture but now we are going to get their games?

Game developer Konami has hired insurgent Iraqi's that killed American Marines for a living now to develop a game on how they fought the "infidels" in Fallujah"

Damn Fox News ... it's going to happen as they MEGAWTFBBQOVERexaggerate EVERYTHING related to video games those bastards ...

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 5:01PM Canefan said

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The media talks bad about all shooters except for Halo. They praised Halo when it sold well, but all other shooting games are bad...
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 5:29PM J Acheson said

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I suspect Fox will be happy to see our troops portrayed as the good guys for once.
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 3:32PM (Unverified) said

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Helpful interview. I'll agree with the direction they're taking this venture, and I think this realizes (for the most part) previously unexplored possibilities within the video game medium as a means of education, communication, and awareness for those who would otherwise not experience this in real life, but would like to at least identify with the challenges faced over there that cannot be conveyed through other mediums like the news media and films.

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 4:11PM (Unverified) said

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If this game is supposed to be 'realistic' then why is the license plate on that truck reads 'Dubai'?

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 4:15PM scratchh said

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I agree with others: this interview makes me interested in the genre-expanding possibilities for an interactive documentary experience. But I am still withholding judgement till we see the final product. So many ways to screw this one up. Still I commend them for trying.

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 4:48PM (Unverified) said

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"Will there be portrayals of women being raped or dead children or are you just sticking to the combat?"

We've all seen Platoon and Full Metal Jacket, you guys just love to rape right? Do we get to rape? I'd love to rape. Also you GI's just love murdering children, do we get to kill some kids?

Seriously Joystiq? You should be ashamed of yourselves.

Posted: Apr 13th 2009 5:30PM J Acheson said

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Amen to that.
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 7:27PM (Unverified) said

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No kidding. What a shitty, loaded question to ask. Especially directed to people who have served over there with honor. What the hell is wrong with you Nelson?
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 7:58PM Bakaneko said

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Yeah, Mr. Nelson, when exactly was it that you stopped beating your wife?
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Posted: Apr 13th 2009 10:09PM Courtney said

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He should have asked about White Phosphorous too.
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Posted: Apr 14th 2009 4:17AM ferid said

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talking about realism the truck have Dubai license lol
those things really tick me off when as Iraqi playing games about my country and hear soldier talks gibrish like or something irrelevant to my country...
put some effort making games or don't make them at all...

Posted: Apr 14th 2009 5:00AM (Unverified) said

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why is the truck plate number Dubai? isn't this supposed to be accurate? i hope the they don't portray most of the Iraqis as "terrorists" lets not forget the reason for this war was weapons of mass destruction, that were never found i might add. plus i think its too early for a game like this, it might actually stir more shit up, just my opinion..

Posted: Apr 14th 2009 7:02AM (Unverified) said

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I interviewed some young US soldiers returning from Fallujah. From what they told me, it seems like a massacre, a war crime was perpetrated in that city.

The ROE early on the first day were being completely disregarded by the end of the day, when the standing order was effectively - "destroy any building that shows movement". One commander told his troops that the Iraqis were "satan worshippers" and "responsible for 911".

Many, many civilians could not or would not move out of their homes (and go where?) so the civilian casualties were very high, but were never counted.

Chemical weapons like white phospherous AND a napalm like substance were used. Fallujah was a shameful episode in a very dirty war. Konami intend to Profit from it.

Posted: Apr 14th 2009 2:46PM joeboosauce said

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I agree. This was a war crime and many of the Marines are therefore war criminals. And the commanding officers going all the way to the Oval Office are war criminals.

And the one Atomic Games guy said that the insurgents were all foreigners?!?!? This line alone reveals the bias as he unwittingly spits out US propaganda. MOST "insurgents" were IRAQIS!!!!! Technically, they are not insurgents. They were fighting against the ILLEGAL occupation of their own nation. Usually, people refer to those people as freedom fighters. Remember Ronald Reagan: "One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter." Yes, if you fight against the USA's imperial ambitions, you are surely to be labeled a terrorist.

Freeing the World to Death - essays on the american empire
http://www.thirdworldtraveler.com/Blum/William_Blum.html
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Posted: Apr 15th 2009 3:56AM Frangible said

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It's funny how some people claim to support the troops, then ask them loaded questions about rape and murder in interviews and post the kind of tripe that Stormy Weathers and Imran did. When the cameras stop rolling, they stab the troops in the back. Hagen, wus tatest du?

Most insurgents are from foreign countries or are paid to fight; towards the beginning of the conflict they were paid several hundred dollars to fire an RPG-7, once, at an American convoy. In interrogation reports, Army intelligence officers describe them as being relatively uncommitted by ideals and mostly motivated by the dire financial situation in the region, making them very cooperative if treated well, and stating torture was entirely counter-productive.

In Afghanistan, the mujahideen Carter, Reagan, and Charlie Wilson supported are actually a bonafide political party now, and are indeed quite thankful to America. In fact, in polling support for US troops by Afghanis has ranged as high as 86%, where support for the Taliban has always been extremely low -- less than 9% (all these numbers come from the BBC, btw). The Taliban is a foreign regime backed by the Pakistani military. Why can't you support the US military as well as the people of Afghanistan?

American empire? Give me a break. Enough with the "Bush is Hitler" crap. News flash: Obama is president now, Bush isn't in office. Try a little MoveOn.org right there, chief. I bet the US and France patrolling for pirates is "unilateral aggression" and "crimes against humanity" too, huh? Must be nice to be able to invent fictional charges without bothering with things like oh, the legal system, that whole court thing and innocent until proven guilty must be a real drag for you. But I'm sure the troops appreciate your slander. Oh wait, no appreciates anything you say.

President Obama thinks highly of US forces and is in fact, increasing strength in Afghanistan and reassessing the Iraq situation, increasing his commitment over what he stated in his campaign.

Don't like Bush? Fine. I didn't like Bush, and I never voted him. But maybe it's time you got on board with President Obama.

So my question to all of you paranoid schizophrenics (PRO-TIP: take your haloperidol) still posting American hate and conspiracy theories is this:

Why don't you support President Obama?

(And before you mod me down for being a Republican, I'm not, and actually voted for Obama. It's just that I happen to agree with Obama's policies, and these guys are so out of touch I damn near look conservative for agreeing with Obama's positions.)

Posted: Apr 19th 2009 11:23AM (Unverified) said

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This guy's comment was pretty spot on.

If Fallujah was a war crime, then the entire European and Pacific campaigns in WWII were war crimes. I'm sure all the carpet bombings of cities (by both sides) so romanticized by movies didn't cause any civilian casualties... Nope, none.

In war, there is going to be civilian losses, that is the by product of war.
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