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Konami Drops Controversial Six Days in Fallujah
by David Jenkins [Console/PC]
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April 27, 2009
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Publisher Konami has confirmed that it will no longer be publishing Atomic Games’ controversial action game Six Days in Fallujah.
"After seeing the reaction to the videogame in the United States and hearing opinions sent through phone calls and e-mail, we decided several days ago not to sell it," a Konami spokesperson tells Japanese newspaper Asahi.
"We had intended to convey the reality of the battles to players so that they could feel what it was like to be there."
Announced in April, the third person shooter was due for release on Xbox 360, PlayStation 3 and PC in 2010. Based on the Second Battle of Fallujah in late 2004, the concept drew instant criticism across the world.
Atomic Games aimed to stem the controversy by working with a number of ex-Marines involved in the action and claimed that the idea originally came from veterans of the conflict.
"We think Atomic Games used a network [to produce the game]," commented a Konami official in Japan. "But we don't know the connection [between the company and U.S. military forces]."
It is currently unclear whether Atomic Games will seek another publisher. Gamasutra has reached out to the developer for comment and will update with any we receive.
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Even if it was something like GoW style, I applaud Atomic for taking on a real subject in their game. I have to admit, I was curious to see how they would attempt to paint the reality of a modern conflict. Would it be a juvenile fantasy or a grittily realistic portrayal?
I hope a publisher with a set steps up and brings this to market.
The only way to advance the medium is to create these innovative games, and there will be plenty of naysayers either way.
Atomic is reaching out to try and educate an audience who have been misled about the experience of conflict through games. Are the naysayers striving to maintain their ignorance?
Problem with this game is that it's a shooter. You probably start it up, receive instructions and shoot people and save civilians. That is not the only thing that happens in a war. Is there even a main character to identify with, in this game? Movies are about the people and their internal/external conflicts.
This is a shooting game in set in fallujah. Not the same thing.
2 MP3/CDs
5 DVDs
9 Books/eBooks
All about the Fallujah Conflict. There were a little over 2 more pages of results related to a 'Fallujah' search.
So why is it that these song writers, television/documentary producers and writers able to produce their works about Fallujah, but a game developer can't? I have no idea. Perhaps ii is the mainstream perception about games being one of two things: Kid stuff, and juvenile gore fests.
I really wish that Konami didn't give into the pressure from these short sighted complainers.
This game from the related stories about it, are the accounts of several soldiers who actually had a hand in its creation. They were brought on as consultants in order to make it as accurate as possible.
I have read nothing except from complainers that lead me to believe that this game is just another generic FPS or shooter taking place in Fallujah. Could you please cite your source on your information.
Controversy fuels sales, if you can produce a great product underlying it.
I so hope they don't just drop the Fallujah aspect of it. That would really be a disservice to the games industry.
Such a move would set the games industry back and prove that we care more for profit and 'fun' than anything that this medium is really capable of.
The interactive aspect of video games is the most powerful tool in making documentary style games.
btw- how come some of you (above) have such controversy with this locale? why don't germany and japan count on your questionable cities? we've been recreating their battles for years interactively. did this group know that almost 85K Iraqi civilians have been killed in the last 5 years? gamers may be really smart at certain things but objective social and political awareness don't seem to be in today's skill set unfortunately.
you're making assumptions about how those people feel about those other locales. Objectivity doesn't seem to be your strong point either.
Having said that, I really am looking forward to this game should/when it come out. I think the idea of the game and some of the design concepts could make for an interesting experience. If done well, of course.
http://www.gamepolitics.com/2009/04/14/insurgents-contributing-quotsix-days-fall
ujahquot-says-developer
I'm a developer myself, I'm not just some douche gamer. I guess I just want the medium to go beyond what this tried to do. If you're gonna claim hyper-reality of a current event in an interactive medium, you better back it up with the appropriate social commentary, whatever that may be. I'm not against it altogether, just didn't like the direction this was going in.
btw- i'll make sure to update my elder japanese and jewish friends that you have okayed their war tragedies as experiences that are unarguably exploitable through games.
If Atomic Games is serious about bringing the modern Iraq war to an interactive medium and is serious about making it as realistic as possible to portray its horrors and heart aches and destruction, I would gladly drop $50 on it the day it comes out and I very rarely spend that much outright on a single game now that I'm in college. I can handle ultra realism if it's done well and I'd look forward to playing marines AND insurgents, because it's great to see every side, especially in a game based from reality. It aggravates me to no end when we endlessly see movies and video games portraying only our side or the "winning" side or the "good" side and this could be a rather innovative change of pace.
I'm confused now though, so what is your position on this? For some reason I thought you were for it, but now you're accusing me of wanting a holocaust game. -- just to clarify, I'm more on the side of steve. I'm way glad this was canned and I think gamers and developers alike take war way too lightly. I'm more than sensitive to Hiroshima and the Holocaust, but I'm also not opposed to someone doing something as long as they do it right, the same reason I'm not against Schindler's List. (whether or not that's plausible is another question)
anyway, sorry mt m, didn't mean to be a douche developer.
my main issue is that konami, as all predicable publishers, is just trying to take advantage of a situation that is already over exploited. they put a spin on the game that never really existed in my opinion. add to that a recesion, some boring months for game PR, many journalists at a konami gamers day...and voila- a smoke and mirror show. i have watched this dozens of times while at midway and other publishing companies in the last ten years. no one really suffers here but the developers and their support staff (eg. soldiers, etc.)
the atomic team have great accolades. they can pull off a great game IMO. the problem these days is that the business doesn't want to pro-act. it wants to react. that means making games that have already been successful and not ones that haven't been validated yet. pro more realism in interactive entertainment! it's come a longway already.
Steve, war is quite a profound issue for humanity (maybe not for all, but likely most). Don't think about what Atomic is trying to do as something for the sake of innovating the games industry, but for the benefit of those outside of it (where the vast majority of fans are found). Shooter games especially mislead gamers of the depiction of war. Might as well have some sort of value to the time being in game. Education and enlightenment is a great excuse to innovate the games industry; what better topic gamers need enlightening about than war? Especially during a time of war.
You post is full of factual errors. You say you didn't see any criticism of Saving Private Ryan, but in fact there was. There is plenty of criticism leveled against those D-Day games too, so again you are wrong.
You then move on to Resident Evil 4 and 5 and claim that only a "handful of closet racist" went "crazy while "not even a single Mexican or Sapniard" seemed to "get ticked." You statements here are incorrect as well. There were a significant number of people upset with RE 5, including individuals and groups. They weren't all just "closet racist blacks" either. I think you are making commentary about "reverse discrimination here, but it is so unformulated that it just comes off as intolerant on your part. There were people claiming Mexian heritage that objected to RE 4. So that part of your post is incorrect as well.
You say. "so over reaction should be expected from the sensitive ignoramuses." I think this applies to you.
While I think this game should be made, I don't think it should be free from criticism. Clearly, the developer knows it is provactive and is attempting to use this aspect to develop interest (and ultimately sales) in the game. Therefore, commentary from a broad range of experience and background are likely to and should be exepected. I am sure the developer is pretty happy with the dust up. I am sure they aren't thrilled with losing their publisher, but I am willing to bet that they are not totally surprised either. When you play with fire you can get burned.
There are educational games out there, but for the most part, the industry is still about fun and entertainment.
I had and still have some hope for this Fallujah game, but I am also skeptical. An FPS that's realistic will be difficult. First of all, you wouldn't have many opportunities to use your gun. And, second, the more opportunities you get the shoot, the more likely your character will wind up dead. If the game has the player running solo and killing about 200 guys by the end--how is that supposed to be realistic?
It's just difficult grounds to tread.
Nevertheless, I am not the bit least disappointed in their choice to let it go. I think I have killed enough Germans, Russians, Palestinians, and 'Insurgents' to last me a lifetime. If the game was intended to be something along the lines of September 12th or Oligrachy I would have felt otherwise. But, considering the game was probably going to end up as a run of the mill shooter, I am happy that Konami decided to move onto something else.
Here are the websites for these groups (actually the same group, one being a chapter of the other):
http://www.gsfso.org/
http://www.mfso.org/
The websites themselves make it quite apparent that these groups have political goals. (They have an agenda, but it is quite up front and open.)
I would be interested to hear what some other groups, like the American Legion or Veterans of Foreign Wars, have to say about a game like this one (good, bad, or indifferent).
Maybe the game could be marketed a little differently, and to a different demographic - like wargamers, who generally play out of historical interest in the subject matter of a game and many of whom are themselves war veterans.
The military is using gaming as a training tool right now (and has been for decades). As a medium to teach someone about things, it is quite strong.
Edgar: If you minded my word choice, I admitted to hearing pretty much no outcries. Regarding RE, it just strikes me that these days it's as if anything slightly depicting minorities (especially blacks) in a darker light or as the "bad guys" means it's racist, and my real life experience continues to suggest to me that it seems as if only white people can be racist, at least in America. From my point of view, the general public and all the civil rights groups and activists overreact or presume racism when a little research and thought might suggest a mere, say, bad choice of words. His name escapes me, but a major league baseball player, a pitcher if I remember, had a comment regarding New York City taken way out of context, one that never even hinted at race, yet racist was one of the words used to describe him once the public committed to a mob-like outcry, leading him to be fired purely for PR reasons. More often than not, I see more of a knee-jerk reaction to these sorts of issues and quite frankly the political correctness of it all is stifling. Quite frankly, I'm convinced its this political correct social pressure that is in fact promoting prejudice because we get force fed stereotypes and unfair expectations when, as otherwise good people, we're just not that fluent in such-and-such a subject. It's like that bullshit sensitivity training, all it does is fill your head with the wrong train of thought and improper assumptions when what people really need is a desensitization so they don't knee-jerk and prejudge at what often is merely poor word choice or a genuinely innocent ignorance to the subject. I'm willing to bet the fear of being taken out of context has contributed to some of the flubs we hear.
As to SPR, I actually heard GOOD reactions to that, in that it WAS realistic. I heard real WWII vets went in thinking it'd be another typical war movie and wound up having to walk out because of how powerful the imagery was. Really, at this point you must ask yourself when it's appropriate to deal with unpleasant and even controversial subjects like war? Is there like a minimum of time we have to wait? Obviously, no one's gone ape shit over the America Civil War games and movies because there aren't any vets of it alive anymore to get their tessies in a twist. Afterall, it's not like anyone is forced to play or watch or read something, and if it's not some, and rather criminal I might add, attempt purely for profit then what's the harm? if it's trying to show reality as it really is, why is that such a bad thing? Why do people get upset about reality when someone tries to put it into the light it deserves to be?
Maybe I was being too harsh, but after reading that linked article I was pretty annoyed. People are just way too sensitive. You have marine vets supplying Atomic with information about the war on one hand who clearly have no problem with their being an insurgent perspective also being given, and then you have someone like who was quoted in the article who is convinced Atomic's devs are subhuman scum and DOES have a problem with an insurgent's view point. Seriously, what does that tell you? Just what does that tell you!? Maybe with some real critical thinking, you might understand my perspective and MY outburst, because it tells me that people are way too sensitive on subjects everyone deserves to know about and should.
One of my friends told me the story of how her grandfather was in the 101st on D-Day, survived the first night, then got machine gunned in the leg the next day and was sent home. That was his war: 20 hours in Normandy. If you made that into a game, nobody would play it.
Who wants to play a game where your character "loses"? How much fun is a game where you are in only one firefight where you are hit from the start and all you do is watch and bleed and hope not to die while your comrades (maybe) pull you to safety?
Inevitably the goal in Six Days is to survive enemy attacks, accomplish the mission, save the day, win the war and shoot your opposition before they shoot you. It's a story of good vs. evil, player vs. AI. It is not a story about real war. There is a way to win and a way to lose. Death is a great consequence for failure in games because it's significant, but what about being wounded, being sent home and surviving? Isn't living to raise a family, despite being permanently crippled, a worthy goal in life? That's a real war story, with a (pretty much) happy ending. Is it better to be injured yourself than to kill another human being? Many veterans ask themselves that question. Was Six Days going to aspire to that, or just to be another war-based shooter? I think you can all figure out the answer to that one.
Until there is a game that can convey the same experience as Born on the Fourth of July (live with being crippled in a veterans hospital), or Platoon (injure yourself to escape from the war and frag your commander over a personal grudge), or the Deer Hunter (escape from torture only to go crazy and eventually kill yourself) there will not be a need for another war game. Sure, Call of Duty and Day of Defeat and Close Combat are fun games, but at least they don't go acting like they're portraying what real war is like.
You state that "all" the civil rights groups and activists overreact or presume racism. This is certainly not true. You are claiming that anyone who expresses a different opinion other than yours is intolerant. This is an untenable and illogical position. Do you understand the irony in what you are doing?
I hope that because of your opportunity of being in college you can have a chance to have your writing analyzed so that you can learn how to make a point and argue it effectively.
Also, much of your ideas of are focused on blacks. You pick on blacks as a group you don't like in particular. I find that you really have a problem with race and socio-political identity. You lack any real insight into the issues. You speak in generalities and platitudes. Much of your ideas are based on ignorance and immaturity.
I really don't see how a game developer's problem with getting a publisher really has much to do with a wide ranging indictment of the civil rights movement in general.
Your problem is that you hate anything to do with race and feel threatened by it. I can tell that you think that if some one discusses anything in a racial context you think that means you are being called a racist and are about to lose something. The trouble is that no one is doing that to you. You are not a victim of a conspiracy against you because you are white. The truth is that you have plenty of opportunities and benefits connected to your race. You should be satisfied with your lot in life and stop trying to attack others who may not be as fortunate as you think.
People jump to conclusions. Far too many, especially in America, hear something and hear the spin on it from their particular source of news. Typically, pretty much the entire main stream media will put I think unfair negative spin on one thing or another just because it could be seen as racism etc. and then their viewers go into this broken record mob mentality and start spouting "Racist! Racist!" No one stops to think critically anymore, no one tries to rationalize anything, everyone immediately settles into the fixed perspective they're told to from their news media and society's politically correct demands. I am sick and tired of political correctness. It DOES put whites into an unfair and unrealistic corner, especially when I have seen and experienced racism before FROM BLACKS! Where's the public outcry there!? Why aren't the civil rights groups reprimanding a minority for being unjustly racist against the majority? Because it's always the majority who is at fault. It's a two way street, it's a double edged sword, but society doesn't see it that way and neither do the oppressed minorities or whoever the victim may be. That's why I'm upset about this. It's as if they want to get pissed off, it's as if they purposely look for reasons to be, and then the general public is given a disservice through misinformation and misinterpretation and is no longer capable of distinguishing the real problems from the insignificant. It's mountains into mole hills, and I'm tired of it, and that's not just regarding race.
I'm just hoping Obama's election proves "the man" isn't the one keeping you down, it's yourselves and your gang-humping gun-toting pot-smoking alcoholic sexist money-excessive rap culture which perpetuates and glorifies stereotypes and prejudices (and trust me, huge difference between rap and hip hop in my mind. I LOVE Jurassic 5 because they're hip hop artists and have been an inspiration for my perspective on this). I hate seeing such self defeating slop being glorified because it's robbing black youth of their individuality and the chance to think critically about their place in the world and how to reach their goals. Instead, they're given Snoop Dogg and Ludacris and 50 "Sell out" Cent and other bullcrap. They need more Jurassic 5 for a fresh perspective and more DMX to realize the glorified gang lifestyle and excessive luxury lifestyle are unrealistic, foolish, and destructive. The whole world does, but instead we're treated to such a disservice by the very people who can make a difference but do not in the name of ratings and profit.
One thing you do need to understand is, that it is silly to criticize activitist groups for being activitists. For example, a group called the NAACP is named that way for a reason. They actually believe in the "advancement of colored persons." They aren't hiding it. This is not some secret you have uncovered. But you would have us all believe that this group has no right to function and seek opportunities for the people they profess to represent. Why? Because you think that every thing is a "double edged sword."
Life is not a double edged sword, Daniel. Things don't always cut both ways. History has proved you wrong on this. You need to spend some time learning about the world you live and figure out how you are going to be able to get along with people who you don't agree with.
And it seems like you have a really, really long list of people you don't agree with.
Lastly, to get back on topic about video games. I really don't see how you can argue that Six Days in Fallujah should be made, and I use your words, "because it's great to see every side, especially in a game based from reality." But on the other hand, you want to wipe out rap culture because you, "hate seeing such self defeating slop being glorified because it's robbing black youth of their individuality and the chance to think critically about their place in the world and how to reach their goals."
You make no sense. How can you argue that insurgents should get equal time and attention along with marines in a video game, but rap should not be allowed to exist along hip hop in music? You have fallen into your own trap. Your intolerance is your undoing.
It is not effective to ramble on in a rage attacking anyone you can think of that may hold different viewpoints than yourself. I find this statement to be particularly ignorant and offensive:
It DOES put whites into an unfair and unrealistic corner, especially when I have seen and experienced racism before FROM BLACKS! Where's the public outcry there!? Why aren't the civil rights groups reprimanding a minority for being unjustly racist against the majority?
This is silly. You are not a victim of discrimination by proclaiming theoretical notion of reverse discrimination. I can tell that your perceived victimization is the basis of all your histronic ramblings. But the truth is that you have suffered no wrongs. Currently, affirmative actio has largely been repealed, invalidated, and legislated out of existence.
Lastly, I it is incredibly stupid to argue that that blacks and the mainstream media based on their desire to perpetuate the tenants of reverse discrimination are conspiring to deprive you of your right to play Six Days in Fallujah.
You don't know me, you clearly don't understand me, and by your reaction to me I can't ever expect you to, so good day to you.
This is a theme throughout all of your rantings and ravings. You persistently claim to know what everyone thinks and represents; you claim that everyone is against you; you claim that everyone else is wrong and you are the only person of reason.
You have attacked literally everyone for having thoughts or beliefs different than yours. At this point, I do know you. I know exactly who you are and what you really think. You started off poppng off about races and when called on the carpet for it you just got worse and worse. You dug yourself a deepeer and deeper hole and you have now found that you can't get yourself out of it. This is why you now resort to further name calling and pathetically claiming that you have been misunderstood.